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Brian Kruger
Hello everyone, and welcome to The Common Bridge. We have a special treat today. Rich is approaching his 200th episode here in a couple of weeks and I thought I would drop my head in here. I'm Brian, I'm the producer that you hear about every now and then. So Rich, welcome. I'm glad you're back from a really cool vacation. I'd like to talk to you a little bit about what's gone on over the past three and a half seasons. Does that sound alright?
Richard Helppie
Aloha Brian. Okay. That's the tell about where the vacation was; a wonderful place I highly recommend. It's not only climate, it's culture, music, people, gentleness. If you haven't been, save up, it's worth it. And Brian, if you don't mind, if I could, before we talk about any of the episodes and guests, I first want to thank the audience. I appreciate that you not only listen and you view and you read, but hopefully, you're telling your friends. Hopefully you're coming on to Substack - there's no cost - adding to the comments. I get a lot of private messaging, which I do appreciate. I'd like to stimulate a little bit of conversation. One of the things I'm reflecting on these nearly 200 episodes is this; The Common Bridge was set up so that we can start talking to each other, get off these polarized extremes. There's no way that somebody way over on this pole is going to convince, cajole, threaten, motivate somebody way over on this pole to come all the way over here, and vice versa. Okay, that's not going to happen. But maybe if we can reason together, we could come up with policies and approaches that are at least better than where we're at today. I think we've had some good progress on that. My lessons and my takeaways are a couple of things. First of all, there's better information readily available outside of the cesspools of the most popular social media, big tech censored, monitored platforms. There's better information available outside of this right versus left, conservative versus liberal/progressive, red versus blue media system. In fact, one of our earlier guests, Matt Taibbi, who wrote books "The Divide" and "Hate Inc." and "Insane Clown President" explains all this. We've seen it manifest. So the bad news is that business model is still going. I can punctuate it like this in two recent guests. We had Dr. Lauran Star on talking about diversity, equity and inclusion, and when we promoted that episode, the right wing went berserk. A lot of them, you could read the comments [and tell] that they hadn't actually heard or read or listened to the episode. But boy, did they ever know where they stood. The next week, we had a conservative columnist, Adam Coleman, asking as a question, does the media treat the conservative voice unfairly? We promoted it, and the left went berserk. So I think that talks about the problem. But when I think about the solution, how many learned people we've had come on and talk to us about immigration, about election laws, about the environment, about energy policy, about where we're at with big tech, whether the war in the Ukraine was legal, what does it look like from a historical standpoint and of course, where were we on COVID, what should we do about guns and health care? There's better stuff out there. I just want to encourage everybody to leave that old media model behind, leave that old political thinking behind, because they're going to keep doing it as long as we keep consuming it. So let's think about that new media model. With every one of my guests I learned things and it makes me think. I have The Common Bridge not to influence people but really to inform them. Then, because I'm a problem solver - my skill set was in writing computer code - you're always trying to solve a problem. Or starting a business, you're trying to solve a problem for a client. It's just kind of the way I'm wired. So I learned things, I think, well, what would be a better solution? Or what comes next? And so John Bacon comes on, and we go through the economics of college football and what they're going to be doing. And it's like, well, I think that we're looking at - at some point - separating those football teams from the universities. Maybe there will still be an ownership interest but it'll be like a minor league. I don't know, something like every person gets to play 55 games or until they turn 30 and then you're out of the league if you don't make the NFL by then; none of this student eligibility and the red shirting and all that, transfer portals and just come on, it's a pro league. Let's call it that. So anyway, John was a great interview, but we've had some other ones.
Brian Kruger
I want to take you back to Episode 158. And trust me on this one, it was called "Woman Erased: How Degendering is Eliminating the Biological Woman.î That was with Trisha Posner back in June of 2022. And man, did that thing blow up on social media. The comments got very aggressive. Would you like to comment on that one? I thought that was an amazing interview.
Richard Helppie
Actually, I would. I don't really fear being cancelled, because you've got to be fearless about this. So first of all, because of my deep connections in the healthcare industry, and in dealing with the data all the time and having lots of contacts, I did talk to a lot of people. What everyone should understand is that any kind of thing that can happen in utero does happen. There are people that are born with indeterminate genitalia, there are people that are born with different chromosome mixes, there are people that may have a penis, but also ovaries, and people that have a vagina, but they may have testicles, gonads up. So it's a complex thing. We need to do right by all the people that are affected with the most compassion. But now as I start seeing this trend toward well, we're going to not tell parents and we're going to regender or gender affirm or degender adolescents, I think, okay, if this was such a big problem and for so long, wouldn't it stand to reason that we should have a cadre of 25 year olds and 35 year olds and 50 years old and 60 year olds saying, hey, I've been in the wrong body I should have had gender affirming care. I didn't, I'm going to go get it now. Shouldn't that be kind of a tidal wave if it's so popular today? Then I think about the process. That a young person going through a difficult and much changing part of life says, I don't feel like a man. Well, guess what? You haven't been one yet but you still got to get there, you've got to let the process continue. I don't feel like a woman. Of course you don't, because you haven't been there yet. Then the industry - I'm using that term industry on purpose - with these young people that says, okay, so to be your natural self we're going to shut down the hormones that your body is naturally producing. That doesn't make sense, wait a minute. Then we're going to introduce - to make you more natural - hormones that are unnatural to your body. Then we find out what? You're still not feeling great, you're still feeling lost, you're still feeling depressed? Well, let's go surgically. Now you've passed the point of no return, you can never undo it. While we need that compassion for folks that need to become aligned, or if they become an adult and want to do something with their body, fantastic, okay, it's a free country. Go ahead. But this notion that we have all these adolescents who mysteriously need gender affirming care, I don't see the logic in it. It just feels to me like other people have said, it's the new lobotomy. Okay, we're probably cancelled off nine platforms now. [Laughter.]
Brian Kruger
I want to talk to you about something I think is really, really interesting. We've had journalist and longtime Rolling Stone writer, Matt Taibbi, on twice. The reason I say twice - and why I want to bring this up - is when we first had him on he was kind of a darling of the left as a longtime journalist for the Rolling Stone. He spent a lot of time in the Soviet Union. I don't think he grew up there, but he spent some time there.
Richard Helppie
Both Soviet Russia and in post-Soviet Russia.
Brian Kruger
He was a great guest and really gracious with his time, both times, but by the second time we had him on, the left started to reject him. Did you want to talk a little bit about how cool it was having Matt on, and we'll probably have him on again, but what that was like and kind of how that's fluctuated and how maybe it speaks to The Common Bridge.
Richard Helppie
Well, Matt's problem is, I think, real clear. Matt's a real journalist. Matt goes and gets firsthand information, interviews, people, looks at documents, experiences and writes it and he just calls it, tells what he sees. This is not the way journalism is practiced. We've had other guests on the show talking about this in a similar vein, and including, speech codes and such. Look at, again, his books, "Great Divide," "Hate Inc." " Insane Clown President." He's an avowed Democrat, left leaning, Bernie Sanders supporting guy, but when he goes to Loudoun County, Virginia, and says, this whole thing's been misreported - because he actually went there - and it blows up the narrative that was put down by the left, instead of attacking the story - which they can't - instead of attacking the facts - which they can't - they attack him. It's patently absurd. Another guy, Thomas Frank, if you remember, a great two part series, and we actually re-published it. I think we were a little early with the story talking about populism. This was a guy that thinks that the liberal left has kind of gone too far. And the guy, again, he's far from being a far right guy. He's not even a right wing guy, but he just got beat up. Of course, this happens on both sides; a person that's on the right that goes left is, all of the sudden, a pariah. I guess the bigger picture is this, Brian, we don't all have to be red, blue, right, left, whatever. It's like, can we deal with facts again, please? You know, can we actually have a conversation?
Brian Kruger
Well, it kind of gets back to something that you talked about regarding the show, we're not about sound bytes; we're on for an hour. Sometimes this stuff goes longer than an hour. You guys have long discussions. It really starts to ferret out what the ideas are. But like you say, if it doesn't fit up with the right or left narrative...
Richard Helppie
I agree, Brian, we suck at sound bytes. A little tip that I use when I listen to podcasts; on your device, you can speed it up one and a quarter speed, one and a half speed, two speed. Something so you can keep going or the nice leisurely pace. We had Jerry Clayton on, the Sheriff of Washtenaw County. He said at the end of the interview, I usually have 30 or 40 seconds to try to say something, this was great having this nuanced conversation. Sheriff Clayton is a guy that really gives you good comfort because he, and former Detroit Police Chief James Craig, and Bruce Helppie, my cousin, have lots of experience in the police force. You get the idea. There are a lot of good things and a lot of good people out there. We need to be honest, we need to report the negative, we need to clean up, and we need to keep it in context
Brian Kruger
I think it was back in August of 2021 we had a comic and itÃs funny that back then that was his authority - was he was a comedian - that's Konstantin Kisin. Kisin has really blown up on the world stage, most recently at Oxford University. I think it was the debate club. You can see it on YouTube. It's really gone viral, what he has been talking about with cancel-culture. Do you want to comment a little bit about what it was like having Konstantin on the show? I know we had a good time with him because he was fun.
Richard Helppie
Konstantin's got a great view, a guy that had to leave Russia, moved to London, built his life from there. He goes to Oxford and he speaks candidly and nobody could argue with him. So what they want to do, they want to attack him, or basically, idolize him instead of let's have a discussion about what he said. Did he go too far in one spot? Was he trying to make a joke, et cetera. But it was a brilliant short video if you look it up on YouTube, Konstantin Kisin, and yes, indeed, we hope to have him back. He's pretty famous now. So hopefully he'll watch this and we can bring him back in a little bit. Konstantin, we would love to have you. The thought also occurred to me, what if we sent him to a university in Oregon? What if we sent him to Princeton? What if he wanted to go speak at Columbia or Berkeley? Berkeley and these are all places that instead of listening to someone's ideas, will chase them from the stage and write to the university, don't let this person come on campus. There was a time when universities were places to exchange thought and for a person to learn and to grow. Now we're getting into this - not only reckless - let's suppress speech - this goes beyond the college campus, it's what is the required speech; you didn't say these five things. The denial's palpable.
Brian Kruger
Rich, who was our guest that we had on from Penn State? An alumnus on free speech, college free speech?
Richard Helppie
That was on Princeton with Stuart Taylor. It was a great piece. And this is part of the group called FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression) about speech rights. I won't tell you the persuasion of the person I was talking to but I had a friend, PhD college professor, making the case for speech codes as a good thing; restricting what people could put on their caps, on their T shirts, what they could say and such. I said, great, let's put those in place and I'll be a one person committee to decide what's in bounds and out of bounds. The look on my friend's face was priceless. [Laughter.] It's like, well, no, no, no, we don't want you. Okay, well, who do you want to have all this power? And that's the fallacy that I see on this right versus left, is that they all imagine that they're going to be one hundred percent in control and that the other side's going to go away. I've done editorials and solo episodes on the show about the parallels leading up to the Civil War of the 1860s. If we're not in a civil war now, we are so damn close. It's highly concerning. Of course, I've commented on things that our current president - President Unity - has done. Even his most vocal critics are kind of cringing at his Philadelphia speech. I mean, where are the statespeople that are saying, can we reason together? Please, I want to be your president, your senator - everybody's.
Brian Kruger
I think you're absolutely right on that one. So what you're saying is, it's coming down to, not necessarily what the policy is with some of these folks now, it's like, whose team are you on? It becomes like an old kickball game in elementary school. It's like, I don't care what your thoughts are, you're going to be on my team or not be on my team. That's what's happened to Taibbi, I think, unfortunately. And then once Elon Musk hired him to look through the Twitter papers that just solidified him... You've had a couple of guests throughout the seasons that have been great for us and great for them as well, because they get to say what they mean within an hour or so. One of them is Dr. James Baker, a University of Michigan Professor Emeritus in internal medicine. And he's been back a few times both in studio, - we had him online and in studio - talk about how important he's been through COVID.
Richard Helppie
Look, our FBI Director going to Davos and saying there's been great strides between government and big tech platforms, okay, what kind of society are we going to have if the federal agencies, those elected and those part of the bureaucracy, control what gets printed and what the truth is. Dr. Baker has been phenomenal. He's now on a local TV program on a fairly regular basis, and always willing to come back and talk to us on The Common Bridge. I think he really represents the best of research and medicine and vaccines. When you look at his credentials; he had been with the military for a period of time, he ran the vaccine program at Merck, he is a physician and a researcher at Michigan Medicine in immunology. So his learned voice really was what we all should have been doing when we hit this thing with COVID and people were looking for absolutes. He said, here's what we know today. Here's how the vaccine's designed to work based on what we know today. As more data and more evidence comes forward, he's been able to talk about what the differences are. I don't think the guy has a political bone in his body. He's just a scientist. Yet at the same time, we now know that there was an absolute truth provided about what were the origins of the virus itself. When we talk about the vaccines, let's be very candid, we're all in the petri dish. Nobody knows exactly what's going to happen, because there hasn't been time for any long term testing. So when your friends are telling you, they don't work, and you'd be a fool to get them, we all know people that didn't get them that died from COVID. I know I did. And you have people that are saying, oh, I'm going to go collect as many as I can. Then they've got four shots, five shots, and then they've got a heavy dose of COVID. So the data is still elusive at this point but as it pertains to our show, it's about informing where we stand today. Early on, we had Dr. Martin Kulldorff from the Harvard School of Medicine, highly qualified man, saying that we were going down the wrong path from a public health perspective. Very early he was like we shouldn't be closing the schools, we should be protecting the vulnerable, researching a vaccine but most people weren't going to get very sick. Very, very few children were affected at all, period, full stop. He was suppressed, kicked off Twitter, there are NIH emails that tried to disparage the guy and when you look back, he was right.
Brian Kruger
Rich, your show was one of the only shows that gave him that kind of room to explain what he was talking about. He was shut down around the world for the Great Barrington Declaration; he and his two other colleagues - shut down. But early on, and it was during the heat of that, you were one of the only shows that would give him as much time as needed to explain what their theory was.
Richard Helppie
Exactly. Both Dr. Kulldorff and Dr. Baker had lots of deep knowledge about the Spanish flu. I liked one of the lines from Dr. Baker, he said we knew that the epidemic was over when people stopped dying in the streets. Which is okay, good. With COVID, we really don't know when it's over because we find lots of asymptomatic positive results.
Brian Kruger
On that same vein, you've had a couple of other reoccurring guests that have been a lot of fun for us and really informative. One of them is Professor Anthony Colangelo, who kind of spans the globe with some of his... it's like, if you come up with something that you're reading about that week, sometimes you go well, let's see what would what Professor Colangelo have to say. He's great, he comes on and talks about it. Tell us about how important he has been to the show.
Richard Helppie
Well, he's a great example because when the news reports things first they start with their narrative. It's a right narrative or it's a left narrative. Then they go in and try to fill in the blanks and then they go and try to get a sound byte from somebody that they put in there. And then they literally look at a monitor in their newsroom to see how many clicks, likes, shares, and such of that article they get. They're not starting with - like a real journalist should do - what came first, what's happening now, what might the future look like. What Professor Colangelo is so good and so comforting about is that a lot of the things that we see have already been codified in international law. He spoke about how was it legal for NATO to defend Ukraine and - guess what - somebody's actually thought about that before. Professor Jesse Kauffman from Eastern Michigan University talked about all the ways the lines are moving in Ukraine and what's happened before and what may happen next. His prognostication was that this war does not end without regime change; either in Kyiv, or in Moscow. We're still waiting to see the results of that. So it gives me great comfort to know that there are good people out there that have a command of this subject matter. What I'm imploring my readers and my viewers and my listeners to do is to let people know about this program where you can get real information. Now, by the way, you're not going to agree with this. This is not an affirmation program. It's not affirmation programming at all. Instead, I will always try to say this is what the person's qualifications are, let them explain where they're coming from. I try to ask questions that their critics might be asking and I try to let them have an opportunity to explain the nuance.
Brian Kruger
There are so many good, qualified voices out there. Rick Geddes was another one, Professor Geddes. You seem to find these people and they love being on. There are so many more of them than there are talking heads that say the same thing on CNN, Fox, or whatever, we find some really interesting people.
Richard Helppie
Professor Rick Geddes, on a couple of times; the infrastructure and then talking about the history of the post office. When you hear guy like this you go, we're going to be okay. [Laughter.] Because I remember asking him on the infrastructure [podcast] do we have enough people to do this? And he's like, oh, yeah, we have the best materials engineers, we have the best civil engineers. But what do you hear on the mainstream press? Oh, we don't have enough engineers, they are all in India and China and Vietnam.
Brian Kruger
The world's going to end in 90 seconds.
Richard Helppie
It's good to hear from people like that. And, of course, they're involved in international trade and so we had Bill Michels early on. And this guy, if he tells me what numbers to bet in the lottery, I'm going to do that because when he talks about supply chain and what's going to happen, it's like, yep, yep, yep; it all came to be
Brian Kruger
He's coming back in a few weeks. We're going to have him on as a returning guest.
Richard Helppie
He is the godfather of logistics. Then we had Robert Greenfield talking about what's going on in China and China trade and Australia. And Aaron Boesky from China talking about what's happening there and how US policies differ. So these are people that have real frontline experience, they don't have an agenda. They're just happy to share. And we're just the bridge, the conduit to get it out there to folks.
Brian Kruger
Now you've had a few guests - and a very few, I can think of one one in particular - who got on the show, thought it was going to be something else like an affirmation show and turned out kind of stopped in their tracks a bit on what their narrative was. One of them was former United States attorney Barbara McQuade. She was on for a two-parter, but I think she came away with a different - or maybe came away with a different - point of view because she thought she was going to be able just to do the enlarged sound byte as it were, but that didn't happen on your show. Do you want to talk about that at all?
Richard Helppie
Well, look, I love Barbara, alright, known her from years back. She's done some interesting things; prosecution of Kwame Kilpatrick was one of those. But it's tragic, because now she's so predictable it's hilarious, where you can almost pre-write what she's going to say. If it affects the Democrats in a negative way she's going to come out and tell you why it's good. And then all this incredibly speculative - a lot of it crazy - about, well, what could this mean for Trump? And it was...oh, god, Trump's going to be charged with manslaughter and exaggerated how many people were killed at the Capitol. Then another low light was going to do a book review when Bill Barr's book came out and then probably said, well, we didn't read the book. So your reporting now is less credible than a seventh grade book report but there's still people that follow this. She's just one person we had on. A lot of people don't know that both Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow, have testified or had testimony on their behalf - sworn testimony - that, hey, nobody can take this stuff seriously, we're just entertaining. That's how The Common Bridge is different. We're informing and it might be a little deeper and less emotional response but you're going to get real information. I want to hit on a couple of things, Brian, this is a great example. The largest sector of the economy is healthcare. And in fact, it's the largest sector in the largest economy in the history of the world. That is not an original view for me, it was told to me by a fellow named Ben Rooks, and he attributed to a fellow named Rich Tarrant. I think Rich had run for office in Vermont, he ran a very successful healthcare IT company. But it's very serious and it's something that affects everybody. So we've had on the show, and I hope I remember them all and Nate Kauffman, Brian Peters, Dean Clancy, Chris Allen, Carl Albrecht, all from different perspectives about healthcare. Basically, we - and I say we, because I also agree and I published editorials about this - on what to do about healthcare in the United States. Yet the people we actually elect to do that don't do it, and the people that we subscribe to and pay money to and listen to, to report to us about that don't report it. We have solvable problems if we can just listen to each other. Chris Allen comes from an urban public health background, Dean Clancy's more, I don't know if libertarian is going too far, but more free market oriented and they all look at the problem; yep, that's the thing we need to do. Then, of course, we've had Rob Casalou and Wright Lassiter, people actually running health systems, coming in and saying, this is what I'm seeing. Then fortunately, we have now moved to the point where we're talking about what's going on with mental healthcare. We've had Judge Milton Mack on a couple of times, who's been a leader in that field and then recently, Dr. Victor Hong. Then, I think this is related, our most recent episode with Dr. Nicholas Tito talking about the medical assistance in dying in Canada. Hopefully, we're covering the waterfront there.
Brian Kruger
I think you've covered a great amount of it and hopefully folks listen to this episode too. If you're in an industry where you feel you might have something to say on this, contact the show too, because we'd like to have you on as a guest.
Richard Helppie
We'd love to have guest columnists, guests to appear on the show. Your recommendations for guests would be great or if you've got just a column - you don't have to commit to write two, but, gosh, we'd sure like to hear from you.
Brian Kruger
So, anything you need to add to wrap this episode up, anything you want to talk to the audience about before we say goodbye?
Richard Helppie
I just want to say that I think that we have a brighter future than what's represented by the political structure, political systems, and particularly the political parties. We've covered elections a lot; ranked-choice voting, how elections are conducted in other countries, whether we should have the electoral college or not, proportional voting, what's actually in the voting bills and such. So I think our democracy or constitutional republic form of democracy is in pretty good shape, structurally. We just have bad behavior in it and we're going to keep getting the bad behavior as long as we keep accepting it. And to your earlier point about it becomes a team sport, like kickball or dodgeball or something, no, it doesn't matter if your team doing it, if it's a good thing, or a bad thing - is it a good thing or a bad thing - let's start there. And then similarly, the split in the traditional legacy media, cable media that's probably on its way out, and certainly on the social media platforms doing the same thing. They're not serving us, they're not serving regular people. They've got a business model that depends - and I guess it's my show and I can say it any way I want to - depends on you being pissed off and keep stoking that anger. We've got a better answer; let's join the good people and support them in doing good stuff. They're not always going to be right and the solutions are not always going to be perfect but there are good folks working on good stuff. We have better ways of doing things than what we're doing right now,
Brian Kruger
Totally agree and I would argue that The Common Bridge - and this isn't self serving - The Common Bridge is a place to go where it's not going to feed into your anger, it's going to feed into the information bank that will help you make better decisions and maybe turn off those TV shows - that's what they are just TV shows - that keep you angry.
Richard Helppie
Well, let me give you a quick anecdote. This was again, something that we heard from offline that one of our support people on the show got an email from a relative that heard the session with Dr. Victor Hong about the state of psychiatric care in the United States today. And it was really interesting. It was like, oh, as soon as he talked about his childhood experience handling guns, I was going to cut him off. It was like, oh, you fired a gun in your life, I have to stop listening. The letter that she wrote was, but I kept listening and then I realized that just by asking insightful questions, you can get a full picture. By the end of the episode, I found myself more comforted that things were moving along, and everybody didn't need to be perfect. That's what we're trying to do here.
Brian Kruger
As your producer, I think you do it well.
Richard Helppie
I know you'd tell me otherwise. You're not shy about saying that's a bad idea. [Laughter.]
Brian Kruger
This will be fun for an episode coming up, you and I've talked about this for a while, because we have a lot of it, and that's just to kind of go into viewer mail and comment a little bit about what goes on. I will say this, the viewer mail or the comments that come in on social media - Facebook, that pool - are way different from the more seemingly educated comments that we get from the Substack side, where people have a little bit more of an in-depth question or an in-depth analysis instead of just reacting to a screenshot or reacting to a graphic. But let's you and I do that again, maybe next week or the week after on a coming episode, because I think the audience would like to hear you respond to some of that as well.
Richard Helppie
I think you made a good point there, most of the stuff that we get comes in privately, direct message and such. Occasionally we get a post on Substack, which I'd sure like to have a lot more. My takeaway is this, that the reactions that we get on some of the other social media platforms, where people are identifying themselves, has a lot more vitriol and a lot more division. You can pretty much see which flag they've got themselves wrapped in. People that have a more reasoned approach are not as open to just being out there. And I get it, just because of my experience. If I run a program on healthcare, for example, it's not going to make everybody happy. But I want to ask, is it better than what we've had? I've been attacked as a bleeding heart liberal, a neocon, a Trump whatever, a Biden...and by the way that's been on the same episode. [Laughter.]
Brian Kruger
I know.
Richard Helppie
We've got to move past that. So I'd just like to ask people, if you go to substack.com and put in The Common Bridge, please subscribe. Sometimes their links make you think you're going to have to pay for something, however, you won't. You'll get the updates as they come out generally every week. You can go to your favorite podcast outlet, you go to YouTube and look up The Common Bridge or Richard Helppie and find us there and share us with your friends. Just know when you're going in, you're not going to like everything you hear, you're not going to agree with everything. But I'm hoping you're going to come away with more information and also maybe a little bit of confidence in the future, that there are good people out there doing good things.
Brian Kruger
Well, Rich, with that we'll wrap this one up and congratulations on a great run so far. Watching the audience grow has been great from the production end of it. It's been a lot of fun to watch.
Richard Helppie
Well, let me just say this: this is Rich Helppie, signing off on The Common Bridge.
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