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Richard Helppie
Hello. Welcome to The Common Bridge. I'm your host, Rich Helppie. It's a very exciting season, because even though it's 2025, we're coming up to the midterms in many gubernatorial races and senate contests and we're going to be featuring the candidates who are vying for the governorship of the great state of Michigan. Now, Michigan was always a leader in education and in industry and employment, the birthplace of organized labor with the United Auto Workers. Now we've been a little stagnant, we've shrunk a little bit, our education ratings aren't very good at the moment. This next governorship, I think, is going to have not only implications for Michigan, but for the Great Lakes region, for the country, and because of the trading position of this great state of Michigan, potentially internationally. Today, we have with us former Michigan attorney general and announced candidate on the Republican ticket for the governor of the state of Michigan, Mike Cox. Mike, good to see you.
Mike Cox
Great seeing you Rich.
Richard Helppie
Mike, I know the first question people are going to ask is - you've been hugely successful since you left the attorney general's office - what makes you want to be back in politics and be the governor?
Mike Cox
Rich, your intro said it all. We were a great state and now we're a state in decline. The story for me, like for many folks, is why you do something that really relates to your family and who touches you. My parents are immigrants, legal immigrants, and they came here in 1949 and 1951 separately. But they both came to the Detroit area, Michigan, because it was the greatest state to be in in America. And now, as Bill Parcells, the old Giants Super Bowl winning coach says, you are what your record says you are. And what's the record for Michigan right now? Our unemployment rate is, again, second worst in the country. Only West Virginia exceeds us in the amount of young people leaving our state. Unfortunately, our fourth graders read at a level that is very, very poor and our fourth graders are as smart as any other kids in the nation. In fact, only two states read at a lower level than us - Alaska and New Mexico - and that's not the state my parents came to live. I've lived a great life here. I've been very successful, and my brothers have, but at the same time, I suffer all the same problems as so many parents in Michigan right now; three of my four children are living outside this great state. We have too many great assets to not get up and fight again.
Richard Helppie
What are some of the great assets that we have here in Michigan, and how might we as a people and you as a governor use those to make this Wolverine state great again?
Mike Cox
A number of things. Let's just start with the natural resources. One of the world's largest - the needs of AI and other things is rich minerals or potash or other things - we have the largest deposits of potash in North America, just as an example. But let's talk about the easy ones. We have 10,000 lakes. We have four Great Lakes. We're on an international border, we have I-94 which is a great North American bisector highway between Canada and the US. I- 94 cuts through our state. We have perhaps the largest concentration of engineering talent, not only engineers, but engineering technicians in North America, perhaps the world, right here. And we have a workforce that's underutilized. You have those talents with two great universities; we're sitting here in Ann Arbor, Michigan, right near the University of Michigan. We have so many assets that have really been laying dormant or been untapped. And I think so much of it is, unfortunately, we people, we Michiganders, don't expect enough from our local government, don't expect enough from state government, and that needs to change.
Richard Helppie
There are a lot of things. What should this next governor - whether it's you or another candidate - upon taking office, what does that next governor need to concentrate on?
Mike Cox
There are three. When I go around and talk to people in the state - and you probably hear the exact same things - what are our three biggest issues right now. It's the economy, it's education for our children, and as a result of those two things, it is population loss. Population loss, the economy and education, those are things that need to be fixed. And if we take care of the economy and education - we have these great natural resources, one of the most beautiful places in North America - the loss of our children in middle class families will stop and it will turn around.
Richard Helppie
When I think about that two questions come to mind that might be interrelated. A child born in the election year, next year, 2026, they're going to graduate high school in 2044. What type of life should they expect? What should the priorities of the governor be? Why are you the best choice to be that Governor?
Mike Cox
They should expect the same things you and I got when we grew up. I know a little bit about you. You grew up in a pretty hard scrabble working class part of Wayne, Michigan. I grew up ten miles away in Redford, same kind of place. Where I grew up everyone in my neighborhood worked at the Dearborn Rouge foundry or was a UAW guy. No one in my neighborhood that I knew of had gone to college until my dad went at age 41, while he was a union carpenter. But what did we have, we had a couple things, Rich. We had a state where someone could get good, solid working jobs, where they could support their family, they could afford a home, and they would get a good school, even if they were in a working class neighborhood. And most importantly, they could feel that their children would do better than they did. And that's been lost, that last piece, the idea that my children, if they stay here in Michigan, can do better than I can. That's when you have population loss, the economy sinking, educational achievement receding, it hurts. That feeling that your kids can do better than you, that's what's really been lost.
Richard Helppie
I think that's very well said, because I know that when I was going through the public school system, it was the opportunity for those that were college bound, it was the opportunity for those to go into the workforce, and it surely equipped me to go into business and into a burgeoning field. But I think it was because the people inside the system said, we're going to take these children and help them launch. I like the way you're talking about let's get that idea of the public institutions getting that kid ready for 2044. We have a lot of people leaving; our current governor said, well, we need to keep people here in the state. The out migration is multi-layered. For some reason, people go to Chicago, which is a city in decline. We have the out migration of retirees going to Florida and I know you've got something to say about that. Relative to our taxing, what are some of the things we could do to stem the out migration and maybe turn it around?
Mike Cox
Well, let's start with the economy first, and maybe we'll go to education later. The economy, I've done a lot of research the past couple of years preparing for this. The ten most prosperous states, fastest growing states, generally have one thing in common - now there are 11, Mississippi, where my grand kids live - they don't tax work. Government calls it an income tax, but if you stop and think about it, the income tax is a tax on work. If we are a society that values work, that should be the last thing we tax. But statistically, Rich, it's big states and little states. You have Florida in the south, then you have New Hampshire in the north. Out west, a Democrat state, Washington. Then you go to Nevada, a smaller state out west, then you go to Texas. Tennessee, now Mississippi. Geographically different, their economies are all different, but uniformly, all of them are outperforming Michigan in terms of income growth, in terms of employment, job creation, in terms of educational achievement and in terms of population growth. If those 11 states now... if Mississippi can do it, why can't we?
Richard Helppie
I think that is a great insight. Think about a retiree looking at Florida, popular destination. You literally get paid to retire in Florida, because you escape the income tax, although lots of things are favorable about retiring in Michigan. But that would eliminate, at least, that incentive. When you tax something, you get less of it. So [not] taxing work, that would be a game changer. You write about... I can't remember which Dakota doesn't tax, but Texas, Tennessee, Washington, New Hampshire, Florida, all no state income tax, so people get to reinvest more of what they make.
Mike Cox
I've had people tell me, well, the four and a quarter percent - by the way, the income tax has grown in Michigan under the current governor - four and a half percent, what's that? Well, if you're a young kid, 22 or 23 getting out of college, that could be your vacation, or that could be help you get a loan for a house. It's also a signal to the market, quite simply, because it used to be Michigan didn't have to compete with other states. We were on top. We were kings of the hill. But now we have to compete with other states, and we have to send a message to our own population, to our own job creators. You started your own business so you know that most small businesses start off as S corps, so eliminating income tax has a huge impact on those businesses and whether they reinvest in Michigan. Across so many pieces of our economy, it sends a real signal, hey, there's more money in your pocket, but also an emotional and marketing signal that, hey, we're changing. We're going to get out there and do business related to that. The second idea - for anyone who goes to my website, which is MikeCox2026, really easy - second idea related to the economy, it's not rocket science, but let's reinstate right to work. We had that right to work for four years. The current administration enacted legislation to repeal it. What's right to work? If you're watching, it merely says a worker in a workplace can't be forced to join a union. And why does that matter? Well, two reasons. Part of my agenda is about freedom and prosperity. The more freedom you have, the more prosperity you have. Let's let workers decide whether they should have to join a union or not. The second piece is a lot of job creators nationally - and you've been part of creating business all across the state - look at what the environment is like - is this a state that wants to attract investment? And if we're a state who says there's only one good kind of job, a union job, then we're telling those who don't have union jobs - which can be like Amazon and Apple and high tech jobs - that your jobs aren't good to us. We should welcome all jobs. So those two things, eliminate the state income tax, reinstate right to work, are two things that subjectively or materially move us forward, but also tell the rest of the world, hey, Michigan's changing. Come here and invest and you will do well.
Richard Helppie
With right to work let's be candid, the unions have changed. There was a time when the union could appeal to a worker and say, working conditions, pay and benefits, and the union member could say, you know what, I'll pay my dues to get that. It's been several decades now. There's been a bifurcation between union leadership and the rank and file. The neighborhood I grew up in, the same one you did - the UAW, Teamsters, my friends that had that experience - they look with disdain on the union leadership, and they don't want to be forced to pay dues. They want that union to be responsive to them. Unions do wonderful things. I'm generally pro-union with the proviso that the people that are in it want to be in it. We're not going to stop you from being in a union, but we're also not going to do something nefarious; the Democrats want to do card check, which is have people show up at your house and get your card checked. We don't want those kinds of things happening.
Mike Cox
If I could just touch on that. My dad was a union carpenter. Four uncles and aunts; I had one aunt in the UAW, my brother-in-law - it's almost time for the afternoon shift - is going to work at Dearborn Truck to build F150s, UAW. So it's not about being anti-union, and realistically, it didn't impact unions, but it's about worker freedom and making choices and sending the right signal to the world out there.
Richard Helppie
The unions, the good ones will appeal to their rank and file and earn that support.
Mike Cox
You and I both, we grew up in a day when unions for men, and some women, came home at night with dirt on their clothes not wearing the collared shirts.
Richard Helppie
Indeed, in fact, well, I won't go into why computers were so good, but part of it was I didn't get dirty or have to lift heavy things. That was a good part of it. Before I leave the state income tax, you've done some work on the numbers, and I had an opportunity to read those. Our spending has gone up so much as a state under Governor Whitmer, and that the portion of the state budget that comes from state taxes is about 12 billion, if I recall, and that's about what we collect as a income tax, or tax on work. It's real doable to take out that income tax. It's not a far fetched idea at all.
Mike Cox
It is not. The state budget has grown from 65 billion under Governor Whitmer up to 83.5; that's a 43% jump. There is a portion we can't get into here; there's restrictive funds, general funds, there's federal funds, state funds, but the state portion has grown 12 billion under Governor Whitmer alone. And my point is, could we do it on day one? No, but we ought to start chopping right away like that. Let's chop it right away for seniors. Let's chop it right away for new job owners.
Richard Helppie
That's a great idea. And look, we talked about Governor Whitmer; her term, or her performance. How do you think that's going to play in the governor's race next year as we start looking at this from a political level?
Mike Cox
Well, I think it will play some because the election - she won't be on the ballot - in some ways it will be a referendum on her governance over the past eight years. And secondly, it looks like right now the front runner for the Democrats is going to be Secretary of State Benson, and she's largely been in lockstep with Governor Whitmer in terms of her view of government and the economy and what we ought to do. And then it's most likely we're going to have Mayor Duggan as independent, and he has largely supported many of the same policies as Governor Whitmer. So it will be a referendum in part on her, and that's just the way it's going to be. Her legacy, such as it is, is going to be on the ballot.
Richard Helppie
Indeed. Mayor Duggan and Bernie Sanders, independents, and there are people just disgusted with the Republicans and disgusted with the Democrats. Is it time for an independent or a third party in this state? Will that be an advantage for Mike Duggan?
Mike Cox
Well, I can say adamantly, no, it's not time for an independent for a couple reasons. I'm a Republican. I believe in the principles of the Republican Party. And what are those: personal responsibility, a smaller government, empowering people. I think those are the ideals that have made America great and will continue to make America great, and Michigan great. In terms of Mike Duggan, I worked for him for two years in Wayne County government, he is - at the end of the day, if you go on taxes, unions and schools, on the role of charter schools, on so many issues - in lockstep with Democratic orthodoxy. When I'm the nominee, I view it as I'm going to be running against Democrat number one and Democrat number two. Now, has he achieved a little bit more as a mayor than other Democrats? Yeah, and you and I have had this discussion off the record, but none of the prior mayors of Detroit had a clean balance sheet like he did. If you go back ten years ago - I'm going a little bit by memory - the budget in Detroit was a 1.2 billion, and they had, I believe, 9,000 employees. Now the current budget proposed is 3 billion with almost 12,000 employees. That means he had resources that no prior mayor ever had. And if you were take those numbers, 12,000 employees for a $3 billion budget, you put that against the state with 83 billion, that's 25 times. So we have a problem of state government is too large, and Mike Duggan's record has been growing government. Me, when I was attorney general, the head count in our office actually went down 20%. People don't follow that when you are attorney general, but the reality is, it went down 20% and people always talk about doing more with less. Well, I've done that in government, I think you touched on at the beginning of the show. My wife said, when I lost in 2010 running in the Republican primary, she said the voters told you to go home and make money. I had never been in the private sector before, I've been a career public servant. I spent 13 years in Detroit, Wayne County as a homicide prosecutor, and then as AG, and I figured it out. I made some money. I employed people. I paid their healthcare. I had the situation where I had a million dollars I owed, my house was mortgaged, I was a co-guarantee on everything. And I remember one time having a $77,000 payroll due on the 15th. It's the 11th, and my wife and I are looking at the books, and we have four or five thousand, how are we going to make it. So I've been successful in the private sector and in the public sector, and I think that will stand me in good stead when I become governor.
Richard Helppie
Probably just won the vote of every entrepreneur, because if you haven't had that terror of the middle of the night that there's a payroll due and there's no way to find it, but somehow you do. It's real, lived experience. Well, we talked about the independents, talked about the Democrats, and now in the Republican Party, clearly Donald Trump is now the leader of the Republican Party. He has cleared out the prior establishment. He's brought change in nearly every policy area. Do you think his success or his policy headwinds or his approval ratings are going to fit into the decision for Michigan's choice for governor?
Mike Cox
Well, historically, there is always a little bit of sag for the incumbent president the first midterm because the president, that president, isn't on the ballot. I don't see that happening next year, primarily because Michigan voters, every eight years, they look hard at whether we want to keep the same party in power, and we've had eight years. Next year, we'll have had eight years of Democratic control, and I think that will be a stronger impulse. Like I said earlier, it will be a referendum on do we want to continue the policies where we're now second highest in unemployment, only West Virginia exceeds us in losing population, and our fourth graders, which is kind of like the canary in the coal mine, aren't reading anywhere near what they're reading elsewhere. Rich, I didn't mention this earlier, but I told you, my parents came here because this is the best state to be in in America. My daughter, when she got out of the Marines after Iraq, she went to Mississippi, and I have two granddaughters; one is graduating this weekend, in Hernando Mississippi. Hernando Mississippi, [kids] get a better education there than the kids in my neighborhood in Livonia, Michigan. Now, who would have thought that.
Richard Helppie
That almost is like in The Twilight Zone but that is because of focus. And one thing, when you talked about your time as the attorney general, you were very focused. I know that parents that were behind on their child support, it was not a good place for them to be. When you were in the Office of the Attorney General, you went and said that was a problem, we're going to focus on getting people to support their families. There are some other elections going on. The race for US Senator with Gary Peters retirement. Any of that noise going to impact the choice for governor?
Mike Cox
Yes. When you and I went to vote last November, at the top of the ticket was the President of the United States on your ballot. Well, when Michigan voters go to vote in 2026 there will be an executive at the top of the ballot, and that will be the governor's race, the senate race and the federal race will be below. You will find not only internal money and volunteers trying to influence who wins the governorship, but part of the control of the senate will depend on do we keep the voters at the top of the ticket to hang around for the senate races. So both the Democratic Party in this Democratic senate caucus and Republican senate caucus, they're not going to invest here for that open seat. Also, Michigan has been at the eye of the storm the past three election cycles. That's not going to change in 2028 and so both the RNC, the National Republican Party, and the DNC, the National Democratic Party, are going to be big in Michigan.
Richard Helppie
It should be an interesting time. In 2022 the governor race was largely obscured from the public. The debates were not held in the big population centers, they were late in the cycle after early voting had started and some, you had to stream them. Now, as a reporter or political analyst, I found them. How would you like to see the 2026 race be available to the public?
Mike Cox
I guess all the above, all forms of media, and I think people ought to demand that they hear from the candidates until they get sick of them. By that I mean there should be a lot of debates, inter-party debates, for the primaries and then for the general election. And part of the reason I say that is if you think back to 2016 - it really started in 2015 - both parties at the national level for the presidential candidates have had very robust debates. And those debates, where people heard what the various candidates were standing for, made a difference - Donald Trump would not have been here today. People forget this. Without - there were, I think - 15 Republican party debates he would not have been the nominee, it would have been Jeb Bush, and then it would have meant Ted Cruz, and then it would have been Marco Rubio. But because people had the opportunity to hear their respective ideas and see their personalities... I'm trying to reflect on Hillary Clinton - but at various time like in 2000, another example, very robust debates on the Democratic side with John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, and later President Obama. Hillary Clinton went in as leader and lost, and at different times, John Edwards got ahead, and obviously President Obama won it, and there was very robust debate. So I think that's very, very important that we have that over the coming year.
Richard Helppie
It seems like the key to victory is to run against Hillary, because there's such a negative connotation on that. [Laughter.] And the incessant ads, as a battleground state we are going to deal with that. Mike, we talked a lot about education, taxation, one of the things that Michigan has going for it is we have affordable housing, more so than any other state. Even in our biggest city, Detroit, we have less of a homeless problem than any city comparably, even taking into account climate. We're a hard place to live outside much of the year, yet we have people that can't live in communities where they work. Is there a role for government in terms of housing and housing policy?
Mike Cox
Well, as you know, for 50 years the one way that Metro Detroit competed was cheap housing. In fact, you'd come here and you could own your own home, own your own castle. Yes, I don't want government in the nuts and bolts of home building. Part of that means get government out of the nuts and bolts of home building. If you talk to the Michigan Home Builders Association, they'll tell you - and maybe it's a little overcooked - as much as 23-24% of the price of a new home is related somehow to regulation. Now, we want safe homes, but let's face it, safe homes, good quality homes, are largely driven by customers, not by government. So yes, I think with stopping the governmental overreach that increases the price of homes, that's one way. There are other ways if you embrace the economic ideas I'm talking about, more money in people's pockets will be able to afford more homes. I think there's just a wide variety of things. A couple other states are doing low cost housing in a very efficient way that we aren't doing. For instance, our MSHDA. Most other states, the housing credits that MSHDA puts out to build lower income housing or more affordable housing is decentralized into local banks. We do it in one state agency, and as you can imagine, most times, the more you put it out through private actors and create the right rules, there's going to be more availability, which will lead to accessibility and affordability. Hopefully it's not a little too jumbled but the reality is, there is a role, and part of the role is pulling back and decentralizing.
Richard Helppie
The best study that I read on housing is that the cure for homelessness or lack of shelter is more units. And there are places, like here in Ann Arbor, where they want to build affordable housing. I did go to one of the hearings, and they said you want your police officers and your first responders and teachers living in the community, that's good. I asked the question as well, if you had a police officer married to a school teacher, and the officer becomes lieutenant and the teacher becomes principal, now they're making more money, do they have to move? They didn't have an answer for that so it's pretty tricky. Mike, in the area of affordability, healthcare and health insurance, as we sit here today the final contours of the Medicaid bill is coming through. What are your thoughts relative to healthcare, healthcare policies, supporting our providers and and getting insurance out to people?
Mike Cox
Well, if you remember, Rich, when I was attorney general - at that time, the attorney general regulated Blue Cross. I had a number of fights with Blue Cross on affordability, especially for individuals who weren't part of company plans. This was before Obamacare. Then subsequently, I worked at times with Blue Cross, where we set up a state drug cost website. It was abandoned subsequently, but I got then Governor Granholm to set it up, and I advertised it with Ernie Harwell and Al Kaline to get people to understand if you're a cash payer you go to the drug cost website and you could compare prices and drugstores around your house. You're a sophisticated buyer. You know that if you don't have an insurance company negotiating for you, you can face dramatically different prices for prescription drugs even now, depending on the drug store you go to. So I'm a big believer that more information, more transparency, leads to lower costs and better outcomes. And I think that's important in healthcare. We don't have enough of that in the hospital world. And having been in healthcare technology there's a lot of puffed pricing with the expectation that the price is going to have to go down. I think we need to push that to have more transparent pricing, whether it's prescriptions, whether it's hospital stays, whether it's other forms of healthcare delivery that will inure to everyone being smarter shoppers, more informed and better healthcare outcomes.
Richard Helppie
Some areas that are sensitive - your background as an attorney, a very successful attorney, and some of the work that you did on behalf of plaintiffs around the University of Michigan. We have the DEI phase, and yet we can point to affirmative action did a pretty fair job at giving opportunity. What's the forward look for the policies that would maybe help underrepresented groups?
Mike Cox
I think it's providing quality education and availability of jobs. DEI started in earnest between 1965 and 1970. If you think about that, Rich, that's almost 55 years, 60 years ago. I remember when I came out of the Marine Corps in 1983, the Marine Corps didn't have DEI, it was all merit based. We had a lot of races that had homogenized into a unitary group all going the same way. I got to U of M, and there was DEI and there was divisiveness. Now moving forward in my professional life, I worked in Wayne County, where the quota system was alive and well, where a person wasn't judged always on their individual talents, but on which box they fit in under a number of my bosses. Whatever one thought of DEI in 1970, 1980, 1990, it's really outlived its usefulness when it becomes a quota system. I think if we offer better educational outcomes and more jobs, society will work it out. I support the President's idea. You have to remember I was one of the few, the only statewide Republican, who supported banning affirmative action and worked with Jennifer Gratz to get a constitutional amendment add. Now, the current AG has a chief DEI officer that, to me, is divisive, because you're never going to get equity. You and I are never going to be able run as fast each other. We're never going to be as smart as each other, or as attractive - you're always going to win those things. Equity means guaranteed outcomes. You can never have that. For instance, City of Detroit, 48% of the kids go to charter schools. Another 10% go to schools of choice, the public schools get slightly lower, 40%. Let's provide parents choices so they can go to charter schools where their kids are going to get better outcomes. That's going to lead to natural merit showing through. I just think constitutionally, DEI is the wrong idea. And I think outcome wise, in 2025, where we had a president elected in 2008 who was African-American with what people thought was a funny name before he was elected. That shows the openness of the American people, I believe. And last year we had a African-American woman who was running for president and was considered a real candidate. So I think the time has passed, and to the extent that we help the disadvantaged, it's got to be on the fundamentals, making sure they get good schools. One last thought on that. We're right near the University of Michigan. I'm a proud graduate of the University of Michigan, but the University of Michigan wants to maintain its snob mentality. African-American students were about 4.2% in 1970. They spent hundreds of millions of dollars in the subsequent 50 years, and now in any given year, it's at 5%, so it's moved from 4.2 to 5% in 50 years and hundreds of millions of dollars. So what have those programs done? Not much. Now, if Michigan said to every public high school in Michigan, we'll take the top 10% of your graduates, that would provide for more than 5% African-Americans, if we consider all the DPS and other schools. But it would also offer... people forget... like you go up north, there are really disadvantaged white populations there, and it will give those folks a chance as well, and that will lead to true diversity. The bottom line is I think DEI is morally bankrupt and practically worthless.
Richard Helppie
And when they're being educated, physics is physics, right? Math is math, chemistry is chemistry. If we teach those basic building blocks it doesn't matter. I was in the computer industry, and one of the things I liked about computers is it did the same thing for every person; didn't care how old you were, it didn't care what your ethnicity was, it didn't care what your sex was. It just did the same thing. It was the most equal thing ever. And there were talented people of literally every description, because they just happened to bring that talent. As Alexander Solzhenitsyn said, if we're going to be free, we're not all going to be equal, and if we're all equal, we're not free. That's really the stark contrast that we need to look at. Mike, is there anything, any other policy areas that we didn't cover, or any other topics that we didn't discuss that we should have?
Mike Cox
Well, I think that when you talk about this race, it's really about leadership and execution. One thing I tell people on the Republican side is I've won twice, statewide, already, and I won during down years for Republicans. When I got there, I got things done. At the end of the day, when you're picking a governor, you have to look at his or her ideas and whether they will provide the leadership necessary to build the team to execute on those ideas. And so I think it's really leadership. From the time I was a 19 year old squad leader in the Marine Corps, to the time I led the homicide unit in Detroit under a Democrat so I could work with and for Democrats, to the time I was AG and then later on, on U of M cases, 1,078 men and women were granted justice - not granted, they grabbed justice - from the University of Michigan, I was a leader of that; 63 lawyers, 1,078 clients. There were three of us, court appointed. We brought it home by building coalition, the team to execute. And that's what leadership does. I think that's going to matter in 2026 and it should.
Richard Helppie
Any closing thoughts for the voters in Michigan?
Mike Cox
Raise your expectations, dare to dream and demand that your leaders respect your dream and deliver it. My parents came here because this was the dream. It may be a little tarnished, but it's still there. The assets are still there, and we can deliver that together.
Richard Helppie
We've been talking today with former Michigan Attorney General, two time winner of statewide office, Mike Cox, very successful in private practice as an attorney, built a great firm and now candidate for governor for the state of Michigan. With our guest, Mike Cox, this is your host, Rich Helppie, signing off on The Common Bridge.
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