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Richard Helppie
Hello, welcome to The Common Bridge. I'm your host Rich Helppie. Today we have a guest with some great perspectives on our society; changes in life. We welcome from the Substack program and the Twitter feed of the same name: "Show Me the Data." We have the author of both of those - Kory. Kory, welcome to The Common Bridge. Thanks so much for being with us today.
Kory
Thank you, Rich.
Richard Helppie
Our audience likes to know a little bit about our guests. If you don't mind, maybe [tell us] a little bit where you spent your early years and what's been your educational or career or family arc and what are you up to today.
Kory
I grew up about a mile from the beach in Southern California in San Diego, which is a terrible place to grow up because that's my benchmark for life - perfection - 70 degrees with an ocean breeze. So it was a great time [and] place to grow up in the 90s, back when grunge was good and conspicuous consumption was out. Then I went up to Brigham Young University, got a degree in international economics. And like any true economist, I looked around and said, where can I make the most amount of money with the least amount of effort, and I went into sales. I've been in sales ever since. My husband, he was an EVP at a bank and in 2020, we made the decision that he'd become a stay at home dad, because I loved what I did, he hated what he did. I made more money. This was not our plan. It was never our plan for him to be the stay at home dad, but just the way life came - right before COVID - he decided become a stay at home dad. That's our background and our situation now with family. I've got two kids; one is 14, the other is 10.
Richard Helppie
That is a great background. We're going to leap off into the first set of things to talk about today. I understand that you've done a significant lifestyle change and you have a series called, "So You Think You Want to Own a Farm." Tell us about that. What's going on with that?
Kory
My husband grew up on a farm in Kentucky; ten kids, three bedroom house. He had to work to eat, he had to work to live. I feel like that's one thing that we both had in common, that is, growing up during the recession in the 90s. My dad was on unemployment [so] if I wanted something I had to go out and earn it myself. I couldn't just ask mom or dad for it. And he had to do it one step further; whereas if he didn't do his chores, they didn't have milk for dinner, they didn't have bread. So he grew up on this farm in Kentucky and he swore he was never going to...that's why he went into banking - I'm never going own a farm. But he grew to miss the farm life. He started missing it, he missed being able to live off the land, be self-sustaining. I became something of - as I call myself - a practical prepper. I wasn't an all the way prepper but I have my 24-48 hour kit in my car, I always have to take gas; I just started going down the prepping rabbit hole. Then you just go all the way in and so I started having this feeling like we need to be self-sufficient. I don't want to rely on anyone, I don't want to rely on the government. I don't want to rely on someone for my water. I don't want to rely on someone for my energy. If something happens, I want to know that we're going to survive. I think most people fall into one or two categories: if the apocalypse comes, I'm either going to be a survivor or I want to die right away. There's no in between. When people date, I say try to figure out what kind of person you are and then marry someone with the same aspirations, [it] will make the marriage go a lot easier if you both want to survive or you both want to die. But we were living in Texas in 2018, we'd been there for about a decade - love Texas - we put our heart and soul into building this beautiful home. It was wonderful. We had a wonderful community and we thought okay, it's time to own some land so we started looking for land. Our plan was to open an event center on a farm. Have a working farm with an event center because wedding venues were booked two to three years out; you could make a killing doing this. We had this beautiful business plan there. We even had an investor. Then COVID hit and I could see the pendulum swinging the other direction. I was like, weddings, people aren't going to be spending the big bucks on weddings anymore. They're going to elope, they're going to save their money. The event center idea just died. It died. But we still wanted the land and we still wanted the farm. We had looked around the country and my husband from Kentucky and I being from San Diego we said, where does Kentucky meet San Diego? And that's South Carolina. I had never even visited South Carolina. But in the middle COVID, we decided we were moving to Charleston because the land out here is quite a bit less expensive than the land was in Texas, and you could live off of less, because of the water; it's very humid here. There's a lot of access to water. Texas, you need hundreds of acres to have a working farm. Here you didn't need that many acres. So we just picked up and moved to Charleston, sold our beautiful home in Texas, downsized. I hate the house I'm in right now. It's a small home, it's just not an ideal location but we...
Richard Helppie
Wait a minute, but I think by your husband's standards it has room for eight more kids, doesn't it?
Kory
Indeed, it does. And we could probably have 20 more kids compared to the house he grew up in.
Richard Helppie
So you're in South Carolina, and you were thoughtful about where you were going to go, where the environment had to be somewhat self-sustaining. I can't imagine that this was a popular choice, perhaps, by your friends and family. Were a lot of people wondering what the heck you were up to?
Kory
Always. It was, why? No one understood. You have a beautiful home, you have a community, you have good friends, good schools, you're in Texas. Everyone had this perception that Texas was open during COVID but it wasn't. I could go off on Greg Abbott for quite a long while about how he was a wet napkin in the face of tyranny. But people don't understand why we just picked up and left this beautiful life we built for a complete unknown.
Richard Helppie
So tell us about the life. Are you - by the way, there are parts of my audience that are going to be horrified at the word “prepper” and there are those that have never talked to somebody that has gone in that direction. Frankly, we used to celebrate self-reliance in the country and [now] we don't do that. And my look at it was this: I was raised by the World War II generation that was part of the Great Depression. They were hungry so a lot of focus was on, are we going to have food, eat everything on your plate, is there going to be enough down in the cellar, and so forth. The current crop of adults, young adults, they look down the street and there's a pizza place on every corner, there's a food service place, the grocery stores are overflowing. I'm not motivated by the notion that if I don't work, I won't eat, because that's never occurred to me. But there's a lot that goes into that supply chain before something's on someone's dinner plate and when it's in its raw form. So how far back in that supply chain are you and your husband going?
Kory
Well, we've always had a year supply of food and access to water; water is life, right, you need always have access to water. That's the standard that we came into the marriage with, this idea that if we didn't have access to food or water...this wasn't necessarily due to supply per se, because in the 90s when my dad was unemployed, we lived off of our food storage. It wasn't that we didn't have access to food, just that we couldn't afford it. So you never know when that kind of event is going to occur. Because I had lived that and he had lived where they had to provide for themselves, we already had this notion that like, okay, we need to be ready for anything. So we've always had a year supply of food on hand. Now we buy cows from his brother who lives in Kentucky, we will buy a full cow from him directly. On our farm, we just started planting our garden, we don't have a crop, a traditional crop. What we have is timber, but we have enough space there for a garden for us to grow our own food. So currently, we're still very reliant on the supply chain. There are many people that have done a really great job of going off grid and living, that's not where we are, we're a hybrid for sure, where we're definitely going the grocery store daily to get our food.
Richard Helppie
Well, you think about things as fundamental as power. We've seen grids failing in Texas and we've seen grids failing in California; couldn't be two more diametrically opposed governing philosophies in those states. We've seen banking crises shifting and we're told, don't worry, everything's fine. You kind of dig beneath the numbers and things can be scary, but we've always managed to come through. I think it's positive that people are a little more self-reliant in it, though if you think about things as basic as solar panels with some storage that [means] less people dependent on the grid, somebody has a well on [their] property, less dependence on the grid and such. Do you have an idea about where you want to go with this and and how you might be blogging this or reporting this to people on your Twitter feed or on your Substack page?
Kory
I was genuinely surprised. I got my Twitter follows during COVID. I had maybe 300 followers in 2020. 2021 is where people started following me. It was a very emotional tweet that I tweeted out that day and I did not expect the "how," like I didn't think people would want to know “how.” I thought there are experts far better than me to tell the how, maybe the thing that makes us unique is that we are such a hybrid model. We're not living on the land that we're farming. We still have city life. My plan is to just keep documenting the how on the Substack so that if someone is in this mindset of, okay, maybe we want to do this, just give them the right questions to think about. I don't have the answers, but maybe I can help you ask the right questions so that that you can determine where – or even if - it's right for you, because this is definitely not the right move for everybody.
Richard Helppie
What was that first tweet that you put out?
Kory
I think it's the one you responded to, the one that said, basically...I'll be honest, I was getting out of my truck and I saw one of my friend's vacation photos and I was like, why don't I go on vacations like her? I've worked so hard to get to this point in my life, why am I not on that vacation. Then I saw my little son wiggle his butt at the bees, because that's how bees communicate, they wiggle their butts at each other. So my little son was wiggling his tush at the bees to communicate and I was like, okay, this is why, this is why. Then I wrote this tweet about the bees were a part of our farm, that I felt like they are the last piece we need to be completely off the grid, we needed some sort of sugar source, all the benefits that come with bees. That was it. So I sent this tweet off saying that it's possible to go off the grid but you've got to make sacrifices: instead of buying a new car, we bought a tractor; instead of going on vacation, we go to work. It's possible to live this life because...my husband and I aren't wealthy, we didn't inherit wealth, we didn't sell a company, we don't play the stock market because I work too darn hard for my money to lose it in the stock market. We're very normal people that were able to pull this off by doing abnormal things.
Richard Helppie
One of the things that I admire about your willingness to put yourself out there is that you're speaking to common sense. We've got a society now where people are too afraid to say anything, because oh, that speech is going to be "harmful or uncomfortable or triggering," the real world can be uncomfortable, it can be harmful, it can be triggering - you're at work and very uncomfortable during the training, needed to go to HR and to go to the local media and say this is a very bad place. I like to ask the question, well, what's more uncomfortable - that training session or a train wreck because your training wasn't rigorous enough? Just this past week I had dinner with some friends - both attorneys, both left of center, one very left of center - and they're talking about that "harm" and such. And I said, look, you guys both went to law school, was it hard? Yes. Did people flunk out? Yes. Do you think they should have been allowed to stay? No. Well, wasn't that uncomfortable for them? We went on to another subject from there. But I'm just going to read a couple of your quotes here. There are two options: average citizens who are looking at the raw data from day one are much smarter than experts and journalists, or the experts and journalists knew the truth and intentionally misled the public. What kind of feedback are you getting on that? I see it's been retweeted 851 times.
Kory
There are a lot of people that are ready to be like, I told you so. I told you so because we told them we knew in 2020 what was happening. And it's either one of two things, right? Either we were right and were smarter than the people in charge, or the people in charge were intentionally lying to us. It's one of the two.
Richard Helppie
Well, the third way to look at this - we've covered this a lot on our show - was that there was just a lot of unknowns. At the onset of COVID, I was actually asked on this program, are we doing too much in terms of lock downs and things, that we don't know because this is a new virus. And similarly with the vaccines when people were announcing, oh, here they are and they're good and there are no long term effects; it's like, it had to be untrue on its face because we haven't had any long term yet, we're still studying this. The way that cases are coded; if a person was admitted into an inpatient facility and they tested positive then they were "a COVID patient" and it was reported that half the people in the hospitals were COVID patients. Now, to be truthful the ERs were full of people suffering from acute COVID, predominantly elderly people with compromised immune systems, the obese, and people with underlying health conditions, particularly respiratory issues. So this was a deadly virus and I think the next way this debate is going to be: was it the vaccines that broke the back of this or was it the natural evolution of the virus? And frankly, I don't think there's enough data out there to make that conclusion at this point.
Kory
The one thing I'll say from the beginning is that our country is made up of grown adults and the government is not any smarter than the people. There's no reason for the government ever to mandate a lock-down. Because if it is truly dangerous out there people will stay in their homes by their own free will. If people want a mask, they'll mask for their own free will. There is no reason for the government ever to intervene our lives the way they did, there's no excuse for it even if it was the plague. You let people exercise their free will and go out and get the plague. It was just wrong from the start, regardless of the severity or not. Government mandated lock-downs are wrong. You and I could probably connect on what the governors did when it came to elective procedures and the elimination of elective procedures being performed in communities where there was no COVID because the governor thought he was smarter than hospital administrators - the damage that that did to our populace. So I am very much Libertarian, like, I am hardcore Libertarian when it comes to our rights - Adam Smith economist, Milton Friedman, Ron Paul - I don't think the government has any place in our lives other than maybe fixing the roads.
Richard Helppie
Which, again, brings me back to why I like your tweets - you are an equal opportunity thrower of punches. It's all about common sense. I like one where you say you're thinking about starting a political party called "Stop Spending American Dollars on Stupid Shit." I encourage people to look up your Twitter and follow, it's called “Show Me the Data.” You're not kind to former President Trump either but you're not just jumping on the bandwagon, you're being thoughtful about your commentary. Before we move off COVID and some of the the Twitter feeds, anything you want to add to that because I do want to talk to you about a couple of your postings on Substack.
Kory
No, I'm happy to move off of COVID.
Richard Helppie
Okay. All right, great. Again, now on the Substack, this is also called “Show Me the Data.” For those of you that are not yet Substack readers, I encourage you to do so. It's a little clumsy - when you first go to Substack you look up a writer and it says "Do you want to give us your email" and below it says "No thanks." That doesn't mean that you stop there; just hit "No thanks" and keep going. It means you get to read the stuff that's free, stuff that authors have not put behind a paywall. So of course, we've talked about your going off the grid. We talked about some of your - I mean this in a very complimentary way - near pugnacious tweets on that just reek of common sense; like the old movies - slapped across the face - thanks, I needed that. But you've written some things about keeping evil out of our homes. What happened? What caused you to write that and what's the takeaway lesson?
Kory
Let's see if I can talk about this without crying because it was a very emotional experience. We had some basic common sense rules when it came to media in our house. Computers are only used in public spaces, there are no computers in rooms. My daughter only had something called a gab phone. Gab phone has no data, there's no access to the internet. We were very strict about the media content. We don't give them unfettered access to the television. I grew up where my mom would stay up watching “Footloose” and then hit pause during the bad parts so that I could see the same TV shows my friends saw but without seeing all the junk in it. So we tried to give our kids a very similar experience. Last year, my daughter's personality started changing and it was just a really awful time in our house. It was just awful. Every night as I put her to bed I asked her, is there something you're not telling me, I feel like there's something to tell me. She's like, no, no. I always let her know no matter what happens I love you no matter what you do. No matter what choices you make, I will always love you. There's nothing you can do that would make me stop loving you. Then one day she was home and she was sick. I went in her room and she had this fort and she said she was reading in her fort. But I saw a laptop in there. So I grabbed the laptop and what ensued was this wrestling match. It was weird. It was like something that possessed my daughter. I've never seen this in my child before, where I had to physically rip her off me, shove her out the door and lock the door behind so I could open the laptop. I opened it up and there was pornography on the laptop - she's a 13 year old kid, she's a sweet kid - and there's this anime. So I sat down with her and I let her know, look, this isn't your fault. There are evil people in this world trying to get our kids. It was her school computer, nonetheless, but she had figured out how to get around the firewalls to get to games because she wanted to play games in class because she was bored. They put ads for that crud in the games and that's how she got hooked on pornography. I beat myself up over this, I should have...there are so many things I could have done differently. We had settings on all of our computers. We thought we were monitoring - we weren't. So we had a really real conversation, we went through this process and talked about the addiction of pornography and why it's important to break up with it. We took a lot of other steps in our life. But from there we started to become more interactive with our kids whenever they're on the computer. Because she was doing this at our kitchen table. She just had the computer facing away from us, that's why she'd close it. The fact this was happening at my kitchen table, it just rips my heart out, not from a betrayal standpoint, but just what she was doing to herself. She wasn't happy. She wanted me to find out. She felt relieved and she was grateful. It was a tough time.
Richard Helppie
How's she doing now?
Kory
She's great. She's great. She's a delight to hang around, completely different kid. She's a good girl.
Richard Helppie
What advice would you give to other parents? The world's online, their kids play games online, they play games with their friends online. What advice would you give to other parents?
Kory
First, you're the parent, you're not their friend. The easiest thing to do is to give them unfettered access, the easiest thing to do is let them watch whatever they want. It's hard. It's really hard to be a parent right now. It's hard to be as involved. It's not the 80s. We grew up in the 80s and the parents just like let us...no, there are so many evil people trying to get to your kids. You pay for the device. It's your rules. You pay for the internet, it's your rules - you are a parent. That's the first thing I'd say to parents, [kids] typically push back, well their friends...who cares what their friends are doing. I'm not their friends' parent. The other piece is don't be complacent. I was complacent. I thought we had all the filters, all the monitors. I was very complacent in the tools that I had bought and it was my complacency that let this get into our house.
Richard Helppie
So you posted about leaning into Black History Month. What's the story behind that?
Kory
I feel like, as conservatives, we fight the wrong way, we fight incorrectly. We fight fights that we can't win. Black History Month isn't going to go away so let's own Black History Month. This actually started back years ago, where everyone was posting the black square on Instagram, saying that they stood in solidarity with Black History Month. Well, instead of posting black squares, I started posting pictures of black people from history like Harriet Tubman, and I was about them because they were all conservatives. So I was out-woking...I'm like I can out-woke my friends, I can out-woke all of you. Every day I'm going to highlight a different black person in history and then they couldn't push back on it because people like Sowell, what are you going to say? Anyhow, that's where I got this idea, that black square and Instagram being like, alright, we can't fight it, we can't say that black square is stupid. Let's own it. Let's own this argument. What I did at home is created a slideshow of black historical figures, we listen to music from black musicians and we'd watch certain documentaries like the Thomas Sowell documentary, which I love. We watched “Glory” giving them this perspective of black history that isn't necessarily the perspective taught in schools. The day after we watched the Sowell documentary, my daughter, in her social studies class, was told to choose a black American that's won multiple awards to do a report on. All of her peers were choosing Beyonce and Barack Obama. She chose Sowell. And the teacher had no idea who Thomas Sowell was. She was able to teach her teacher and her class about this marvelous black American that she wouldn't have known about if we had not said okay, we're doing black history. The schools aren't teaching our kids so we've got to teach our kids.
Richard Helppie
Black history is complicated. And let's make no mistake that there is racism in the country and in our society. If you look from the...and by the way, I've read the 1619 Project and it's garbage. They - among the other things that will make you snort and laugh out loud - [say] because certain people in certain businesses owned slaves, they did a thing that kind of looked like a spreadsheet. And since businesses today use spreadsheets, therefore it's that the businesses today are practicing racism. Now, I kid you not it's...
Kory
That's racist. I'm going to use that at work. I can't...Excel is racist. Sorry, I'm not touching it.
Richard Helppie
Right. Exactly right. Indeed at the time of the first colonials arriving what the status of slavery was around the world, we have to be really honest about this that, in our founding documents, a black person was three fifths of a person, it was legal in half our country to have the horror of owning another human being based on their pigmentation. In my lifetime, we had segregation Jim Crow laws, we had to pass the Civil Rights law because it has been a different history and there has been abuse, there have been out and out murders. And there has been, clearly, discrimination and vestiges of that still exists today. But it's not a monolithic community or a monolithic voting bloc, yet I - basically my cut on it - I see white liberals trying to hijack the black experience for any number of programs. I see other ethnicities trying to tailgate onto the horrible history that Black Americans have faced. Black Americans, we do owe a duty of opportunity, but frankly, everybody else came here of their own volition. They did not have broad laws that relegated them to being owned. But that doesn't stop California where Larry Elder, the son of a janitor from South Central Los Angeles, was tagged as a white nationalist. So these hate rolls that are thrown out: racist, misogynist, transphobic, white supremacist, etc., all they're designed to do is not to remedy an ill, but to try to squash free speech. That's what the intent is and that's what we're seeing. You get the last word on this one and then I want to ask you about one of your other posts that you have here.
Kory
I agree.
Richard Helppie
So one of the other things that you wrote about is the student loan speech that Republicans need to give. I have a take on this, I'd love to hear your take, and we can chat about this for a minute.
Kory
So again, I feel like conservatives go at the problem from the wrong angle, they go at it from a losing angle. They need to be more creative, instead of saying, I don't want that, own it: yes, kids, you're right, you got screwed, you took out loans that you shouldn't have taken out, those colleges took advantage of you. They took advantage of you, I the taxpayer didn't take advantage of you, the college you went to took advantage of you. Georgetown, they took advantage of you so they should pay you back. You're right, they should pay you back. They have these nice fat endowments. You're right. Georgetown needs to give you your money back, not me. I didn't tell you to go to college, I didn't tell you take out the loan and I didn't make a dime off that loan that you took out. But Georgetown did - I don't know why I'm picking on Georgetown but it's what came to mind - they're the ones that get to pay you back. And Republicans, I mean, you start going after those endowments, the Libs are going to drop the whole thing because they're in the pockets of higher education. But I say we tax the endowments to pay for student loan forgiveness, get taxpayers out of the [inaudible] business, it's the whole reason why tuition has been astronomically inflated is because it's been subsidized by taxpayers, like everything that's subsidized by taxpayers. Just giving them forgiveness does not fix the problem. And that's the fact; that you and I are underwriting these loans and we shouldn't be.
Richard Helppie
I would be in agreement with you in large measure. I think there are a lot of parallels with healthcare financing and financing of higher education. There's so much of the healthcare spend based on what a third party will do, which often removes the moral hazard about whether the purchase is made or not. Now, not withstanding, much of medical care and even health maintenance, health promotion things are really not optional, as a higher education might be. But the parallel is that with all this money coming in, that, hey, someone else is going to pay for it, and made it too easy. I think that the immorality of places of higher learning - going to a 17 year old and saying here sign this - that child and their parent doesn't know the difference between a $7,500 loan and a $75,000 loan. I would imagine the presumption is, I'm going to get a job based on this degree and I'll be able to pay this back. Instead, they're saddled with debt. They come out of college and instead of buying homes and refrigerators and cars and building a life, they're back in the basement trying to pay off the loan. But wait, the loan payments - so that they are not too hard - can be tempered to someone's income; even if that payment doesn't cover the interest. So that big loan they come out with of $100,000 can easily blown to $150,000-$200,000. People find themselves in their 60s with that note. Now to your point who's got the money, it was the college that hoodwinked the people in the first place and the underwriter who then lobbied that these loans could not be discharged by personal bankruptcy. What happens in the real world? You go in to apply for credit, that person that's going to make you that loan says, can this person pay me back, do they have the means to do it, do they have a credit history? Because if they don't pay me back, I'm going to lose on the loan. But in higher education, since the loan can't be discharged, they loan money to people that are patently uncreditworthy, they have no employment history, they have no assets, no visible means of paying that loan back yet. Now the idea is let's stick the taxpayers. I like the idea of excise tax on the endowments of Harvard, UC Berkeley, University of Michigan. The problem that we've gotten into can't be dumped over on the taxpayers. So I'm with you on the solution.
Kory
And then bring it full circle with COVID. If you look at what those institutions did financially in 2020-2021, their operating costs plummeted. Some of them used to be in the red – after, they were in the black, they made a ton of money in reduction of operating costs, and then their endowments made record breaking gains. COVID was a windfall for higher education and the students got screwed. So I'm with you, let's just hold these universities accountable and get out of this business.
Richard Helppie
What happened in healthcare, as the payment system changed it did start impacting the cost curve a bit, get a little more complex. But if you took that loan money out of the college equation the colleges would be forced to come up with a business model that made sense that the consumer could afford. Other writers have talked about the layers of administrators and bureaucracies that they've got on the campuses. Of course, we've covered some of those issues as well here on The Common Bridge. So again, the name of the Substack, is “Show Me the Data,” the name of the Twitter feed is also “Show Me the Data.” I encourage you to wade in, be polite, and if you don't see things the same way that Kory does, offer your perspective. I think she's going to come back to you, because she doesn't seem to have a canned approach to anything, which is what we like to see on The Common Bridge. And of course, if you have an opposing view, we'd love to have you as a guest as well. Perhaps there's another solution out there. That's what we want to do, have discussions about what the issues of the day are and what the solutions are.
Kory
I think being right is a problem. I love being shown I'm wrong. I love being shown that I got something completely wrong, because it's like your eyes open, like, oh, man, I was wrong about that, that's awesome. So please tell me I'm wrong.
Richard Helppie
Exactly. Show me the data. This has been a great conversation. I can't wait to see our audience's reaction. So far, this has been a great conversation. If we've covered everything that you wanted to go over today are there any closing comments for the listeners, readers and viewers of The Common Bridge?
Kory
One of the tricks I had on Twitter to never getting banned but being able to say what I want to say - because I never got suspended my whole two years - was just ask it as a question, pose questions instead of making statements. That's how I got around to questioning authority and using data and not coming across as so combative and not getting banned; I was able to take a hard statement and turn it into a question. So that would be my bit of advice. If you're in a situation and you're trying to disagree vehemently and want to say something, figure out how to say what you want to say in the form of a question in order to have that important conversation.
Richard Helppie
It's a great advice for everybody on social media as we learn how to absorb the communication of that very powerful platform series. We've been talking to Kory of the Substack page "Show Me the Data" and the Twitter feed of the same name. I encourage you to follow her, encourage you to engage in some good, polite discourse and exchanges. With our guest today, this is your host Rich Helppie, signing off on The Common Bridge.
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